He admits that ERC is experiencing its worst moment with the PSOE and warns that, if the Government does not engage in politics, it will not have its support

MADRID, 14 May. (EUROPA PRESS) -

The ERC spokesman in Congress, Gabriel Rufián, considers that sometimes the PSOE is "a sin of arrogance and unconsciousness", reproaches it for sometimes only doing "mathematics" and not "politics", and stresses that when it limits itself to adding votes to get their laws out, their group is never in the equation. On the way to overcome the crisis opened by the 'Pegasus case', he admits that "it would be very good" to bring together the dialogue table on Catalonia.

This is how Rufián put it in an interview on the National Radio Parliament program, picked up by Europa Press, in which he insists that the Government must assume "responsibilities" for political espionage, but first, to know who should do it, you have to know what has passed.

In this sense, he hopes that the announced meeting between the president, Pedro Sánchez, and the 'president', Pere Aragonès, will take place, in which the former can give explanations to the latter and also points out that bringing together the dialogue table "with an agenda "It would be positive to unravel the situation.

Faced with the Government's determination to say that it will continue with its roadmap to exhaust the legislature, Rufián admits that the "Sánchez gene" is "strong" and that its capacity for "resistance" has been demonstrated.

"But many times, especially now, the PSOE is guilty of a certain arrogance and unconsciousness in many cases," he slipped, warning that "for a long time not only has it been tensing" the relationship with them, but also with other parliamentary partners and even with United We Can. "Their alternative in all this that exists is the PP; if they want to agree with the PP, nothing happens, but let them say so because this also has a cost for them and their voters," he stressed.

In addition, he has highlighted that when the PSOE limits itself to "doing mathematics", ERC "is never there", while it does support it when it does "politics" with measures to improve people's lives.

Despite the fact that the ERC's relationship with the PSOE "perhaps is experiencing one of its worst moments", Rufián wanted to make it clear that "one thing is regression" which, in his opinion, is taking place "with illegal espionage", and another "the Welfare State and the people's fridge".

For this reason, he remarks, his thirteen deputies are deciding their position "law by law" and "week by week", and he recalls that not even with "people in jail" did they stop wanting to dialogue and negotiate.

"But you have to know exactly what has happened and balance one thing and the other. We will always try to talk, but we also want to know what has happened," he emphasizes, while denying that the party's leadership in Barcelona has more desire to break with the Government than he and his parliamentary group.

"No, we are an army for better and for worse. We are also a government party and it is good that each one has a polyphony, each one has its sensitivity, its likes, its phobias and its tones and mine is this", he argues, emphasizing the need to continue dialoguing and negotiating.

In this sense, he insists that a failure of the dialogue table would be a failure of the Spanish left and even of democracy because "an incredible opportunity" would be lost. Because, he emphasizes, "the alternative is the stick and the trials" and that does not make anyone stop being an independentista.

Rufián recalls that he has been talking about what would be the third meeting of that forum for a long time, but he insists that what is important for this "is the content." "If it had been for the photo it would have been called months ago," he adds.

Asked if the lack of results from that forum gives Junts the reason -which was already absent from the second call-, the deputy points out that this table is made up of two governments and four parties, "each one with its times and their internal problems. "You don't have to do a lot of memory to know who is more or less interested", he has said, emphasizing that ERC has always been there.

"Whoever is not there loses because dialogue, the word, is people's common sense beyond the noise and, especially in these times of absolute tension, whoever solves wins much more than whoever makes it difficult," he claims. "Fortunately, Catalonia is much more than a discussion between ERC and Junts," she concludes.